Comments on: The One Minute Case Against Socialized Healthcare

By: DJ

DJ — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 22:48:24 +0000

There is no such thing as free. Perhaps it is no cost to you, but somebody has to pay for it. This is a basic economic concept: TANSTAAFL – There Ain’t No Such Thing as a Free Lunch.
The time and materials that the doctors and health care professionals and health facilities spend to care for you do cost something!!!

By: cura_te_ipsum

cura_te_ipsum — Fri, 22 Jan 2010 06:57:03 +0000

@sc Doctors cannot provide for others unless they can afford to. Doctors and hospitals have to profit or they're out of business. Government healthcare does infringe on doctor rights as seen by Medicare reimbursement for example. Even the Mayo Clinic which Obama touted as so great is beginning to not treat Medicare patients. Those that are forced to, such as public hospitals, have to absorb those losses unfairly. You might argue it's the right thing to do, but when you try to regulate a doctor's pay and how they practice you get fewer students going to medical school. While you're arguing about how doctors gave up their rights with an oath, you've missed the bigger picture.

By: cura_te_ipsum

cura_te_ipsum — Fri, 22 Jan 2010 06:46:22 +0000

Jeremy,
Canadians do have longer wait times and less access to much of the advanced care that we enjoy in America. Compare the wait for an MRI, or just compare how many MRI machines we have in America per population compared to them. Also, when you ask a “dang canadian”, why don’t you ask how much they pay in taxes. My Canadian friends pay about 40-50%. Go to the Canadian (IRS equivalent) website and see the tax breakdown for yourself.
As for the morality of healthcare, everyone has an equal opportunity for it because no one in America is born into a certain class and forced to stay there the rest of their life (although you are more likely to if you’re living off of welfare because then you never really have to get out and work and move out of that class). Unless handicapped or disabled (who are the exception, but are taken care of) everyone has control over their life and by working hard you can make opportunities for yourself.
By the way, an ER can’t turn away anyone. That IS an equal opportunity.

By: Jeremy

Jeremy — Fri, 22 Jan 2010 05:21:16 +0000

Okay, so that Canada lie has long since been debunked, and if you disagree then go ask a dang canadian.
Let’s look into the morality of capitalism in healthcare- shouldn’t everyone be entitled to an equal opportunity at health? Should your right to health be regulated by your class?

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By: Free Marketeer

Free Marketeer — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 08:37:47 +0000

Having a right to health care in no way requires that the liberty of doctors and the property of taxpayers be violated to provide for others. You have to separate merely having a right from exercising that right. Furthermore you are describing only one type of right. There are also legal rights. The right to ‘violate the liberty of lawyers and the property of taxpayers’ is a well-established right.

By: John Williams

John Williams — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 23:23:20 +0000

I worked for the VA hospital system over 40 years. We were a favored agency,who is against veterans,and yet at the end of each fiscal year we had to ration care for a month or so. The VA serves 12 million,those who believe the govenment plan for over 300 million would improve service are confused and naive.

By: Mr.Carrot71

Mr.Carrot71 — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 07:31:46 +0000

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By: Larry Garett

Larry Garett — Sat, 15 Aug 2009 17:09:41 +0000

Sad to see how a country leaving millions of it citizens with out health care,and millions with partial care. The fear of financial ruin on top of illness, gives me pause to thank I am an Englishman and health care is free at the point of delivery to all. Its the one thing that gives me any pride in my country our NHS, and gives a sense of unity in a very unequal society.No health system is perfect,but the lies from the US right, I can laugh at, but the poor US people without ,such extreme dogma is no joke

By: cris

cris — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:01:30 +0000

“People have died because of insurance companies…” Actually, people just die, and they were dying before insurance companies or doctors existed, a lot more quickly in fact. Pay less for something better? Pay more taxes for an insurance card that does nothing for you? Sounds like a rip off to me. Come on, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. Use some common sense people.

By: Chuck

Chuck — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:03:26 +0000

@Reality
PEOPLE HAVE DIED BECAUSE INSURANCES WANT TO SAVE MONEY SO THEY DENY PEOPLE THE HELP THEY NEED, THE EXTRA TESTS THEY NEED, THE SECURITY IN KNOWING THAT THERE’S NOTHING WRONG WITH THEM.

Yeah, It will be much better when the government is the cause of these deaths instead..

I liked someone else’s comment about how he bought stock in Michael Moore, That’s the truth.. If Michael Moore is pro socialized medicine, then why did he go to a private clinic to loose weight?

By: sc

sc — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 01:15:33 +0000

“The claim that there is a “right to healthcare” violates the principle of individual rights because it requires that the liberty of doctors and the property of taxpayers be violated to provide for others. When the New Deal and Great Society programs forced doctors and taxpayers to become sacrificial offerings to the “common good”, the current “healthcare crisis” was born.”

Erm… have we ever heard of the Hippocratic Oath? It pretty much says that doctors, by trade, put the good of their patients as their priority, and that they swear to do their best to keep their patients healthy. Besides, I’m pretty sure that the POINT of being a doctor is to ‘provide for others’, but you should check the job description just to be sure.

By: cura_te_ipsum

cura_te_ipsum — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 04:59:22 +0000

While I will agree with many of you that insurance is too expensive, I have to wonder how many of you have actually worked with the government insurance we already have called Medicare. I have never seen a more inefficient, money eating, rationalized health care model. I can’t fathom why people would want this for every American. Medicare was financially insolvent by the 1970’s. That’s why it must deny care and strip hospitals and doctors of reimbursement causing many doctors to refuse to treat Medicare patients at all. And for the rest of you that think Canada and Britain have a great system, look what their own countries are saying here: http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healthcare/socialized.html#britain
And it’s NOT FREE! Just because you can get a free hospital visit does not mean that hospital is working for free. Have you any idea the amount of taxes they pay to offer “free health care”. If any changes should be made to our health care system, it should be an increased use of Health Savings Accounts. This allows people to be in control of their money and it keeps bureaucrats from controlling medical decisions and treatment.

By: DLopes

DLopes — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 04:19:00 +0000

@Reality

Sounds like someone’s bought stock in Michael Moore……. lol. Yikes.

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